{"id":206,"date":"2020-02-27T12:36:17","date_gmt":"2020-02-27T12:36:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/pro.freezine.org\/remediary0com\/?p=206"},"modified":"2020-02-27T12:36:17","modified_gmt":"2020-02-27T12:36:17","slug":"patronizing-patrons-outside-your-own-community-vs-being-a-patron-inside-your-own-community","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/pro.freezine.org\/remediary0com\/2020\/02\/27\/patronizing-patrons-outside-your-own-community-vs-being-a-patron-inside-your-own-community\/","title":{"rendered":"Patronizing Patrons Outside Your Own Community vs. Being a Patron Inside Your Own Community"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

One of my good friends\n(the kind that actually try to push back on the kinds of things I\noften say) has been hammering away for some time at my attitude \u2013\nsort of calling it patronizing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I beg to differ.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But before I address that,\nlet me note something about \u201cpatronage\u201d. I think this general\nterm means vastly different things in different contexts or from\ndifferent perspectives. I think it has a lot to do with \u201cin-group\u201d\n(\u201cwe\u201d \/ \u201cus\u201d) vs. \u201cout-group\u201d (\u201cthe others\u201d)\nperspective. From a narcissist’s point of view, patronizing attitude\nis a \u201clooking down upon\u201d the out-group. I can sense this\nperspective if \/ when I think about the others being fooled by\npropaganda, for example. In this case, they are \/ become the patrons\nof propaganda and thereby consume it as factual, unquestionable, etc.\nBeing a patron in the context of communications, understanding or\nsimilar exercises in enlightenment means clarifying, contextualizing,\ncontributing to \u201csense-making\u201d (much in the tradition of Brenda\nDervin’s use of the term).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Much of what I say here\nwas precipitated on a discussion between Joe Rogan and Melissa Chen,\nbroadly about free speech, but in particular and quite poignantly\ntheir agreement that if people shut down free speech, then it is\noften because of an attitude of patronizing others (i.e., to use Joe\nRogan’s words):<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cThose people are dumber\nthan you; you’re smarter; you know better; you need to stop these\npeople from being tricked [by propaganda]\u201d [#1427 \u201cMelissa_Chen\u201d,\n1:01:55; the discussion of this topic begins @ just shy of 58 min.].<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Another primary factor in\nthis analysis is the separation into \u201cin-group\u201d vs. \u201cout-group\u201d.\nFor our purposes here, we will simplify this as a simple demarcation\nof linguistic communities \u2013 and we need not get into the precise\nspecification of dialect, slang, jargon,etc. sub-communities. For us,\nit will suffice to paint the picture in broad strokes without getting\ncaught up in the fine details of ands, ifs, buts, etc.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Now if people look at others and point fingers, saying the other people think this way or that way, then I think this is patronizing. I feel this must happen when anyone functions as (takes on the role of) writers or readers. The writer or the reader treats each other as others \u2013 as dialectical partners. If communication channels are closed (as they typically are in the case of retard media<\/a>), then the linguistic communities are separated. If, on the other hand, communication channels are open to participation, if community engagement is possible, welcomed, even desired and warm invitations are expressed and clearly communicated, then participants who actually do engage and communicate are thereby contributing to the discourse and engaging in the development of the shared, common language. I believe my own work (i.e., what I refer to as engagement with \u201crational media\u201d) falls into the latter category. The former is patronizing, the latter is being \/ acting as a patron of the shared \/ common language \u2013 in the development of mutual understanding, by engaging in negotiation of meaning.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If \/ When I point out that\nretard media is built on a \u201cpropaganda\u201d model, I do not patronize\nthe patrons of that business model \u2013 they inflict that upon\nthemselves by engaging \/ participating in that community. The\ninstitutions patronizing them are the advertisers (those who are\nresponsible for the advertisements), not the persons who observe \/\npoint out the way advertising industry works, the way the\nparticipants in that industry are behaving, engaging, interacting,\netc. with their targets.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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